SPN 10x1?

Mar. 28th, 2015 11:33 pm
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Usually if I find something irritating or unsavory or annoying in fandom I don't comment unless it's personal.  I generally subscribe to the "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" blah blah, although I don't consider critique or constructive criticism to be negativity or a complaint just for the sake of complaining.  HOWEVER.  This past episode of SPN was dismal.  DISMAL as in unconvincing, insulting, and, worst of all, boring.  Just.  Wow.  I'm impressed at how many times I rolled my eyes and yet kept watching (albeit it took me over 2 days to just get through the episode).

I don't know about any of you, but I feel like I can look past most of the sexism and questionable things female character endure in this show.  But the two nuns who were so devestated by their love lives such that they actually became nuns just seemed so cliche and dated (as in so 1960's).  It was just really unclever and easy and terribly lazy in conception.  Boring really.  And because of all that it was insulting as in I'm-not-sure-I-believe-I'm-watching-this insulting.  And don't get me started about the whole "jilted women scorned" thing.  All I could think of was THIS WOULD NOT PASS THE BECHDEL TEST in any way, shape, or form.  Of course, this was written by my most unfavorite pair of writers, so what could I expect, right?  I just hoped maybe it wouldn't be a disaster.

Another thing that seemed off point and, again, had me thinking lazy writing was the fact that Rowena was physically beating up Olivette.  Rowena is a witch.  Wouldn't demonstrating her prowess using spells and curses be a much more appropriate, interesting, and ironic way to torture Olivette?  Furthermore we've seen how clever and manipulative Rowena is.  Those who use their minds and tongues to inflict damage usually do so for a reason: because they can't or don't want to dirty their hands (never mind that Rowena looks to be a tiny thing, with more of the physique of a ballerina than a brute).  Also, at the risk of sounding like an ass, women fight differently then men.  Women generally don't slug it out.  Woman fight dirty in more nuanced, catty, and underhanded ways.  Think passive aggressive.  So, again, this whole thing pushed me straight out the story and had me thinking that it was concieved by writers with little imagination (or else writing under a deadline?).  But either way, it was lazy and boring and I was insulted that show thought this was acceptable to sell to us (me) as an audience.

I'm getting a little fed up with the unevenness of the writing skills and how laborious and drawn up the MoC story is this season.  Dean seems to be all over the place emotionally, sometimes he wants to die, sometimes he doesn't want to die, sometimes he's ready to "fight", sometimes he just want to give in.  I'm not saying that he's got to have static feelings, it's fine if he's feeling all of these conflicted things (and probably realistic).  It's just the execution leaves much to be desired.  I feel like as soon as we're given a glimpse into Dean's headspace and feel like maybe we can dig in and actually get to the core of "something" and have a chance to connect, suddenly Dean's done an emotional 180 in the next episode.  And perhaps because we don't really have a Big Bad this season and the quest is being driven mostly by Dean's emotional journey (because I feel like with the exception of the awesome Cain episode, we've not really had a memorable mytharc episode ... maybe we have? IDK.), this season feels like a long string of Monster-of-the-Week cases with the boys shoved into the corners and saying the same thing in the car: Sam, "Talk to me Dean." Dean, "I'm fine, Sam."  I feel like SPN is tractionless the season, the story is skidding and hopping all over the place, and it's difficult to get invested.

And then there's Sam.  Sam who is Sam in voice and action, but who isn't Sam because we don't actually know who Sam is anymore because Sam's emotional story has been superceeded by most everything else.  And I will stop there because this is the ONE THING over all other things that's disappointed me to the point that if I start talking about it, I won't be able to stop.  And it won't be pretty or constructive.  And when I care about things a lot, either I blab endlessly about them OR I don't dare say anything at all.  Obviously this is the latter.

Finally, and this will conclude this hopefully single occurance of a post like this, this is the first time in SPN's 10-year run that I actually think a 10-episode season would be a benefit, something I'd be willing to watch if it meant actually getting a compelling and exciting story, a much less offensive version and the exact opposite of whatever this episode was.

Shape up, Show.  You can do so much better.

Date: 2015-03-29 07:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
You make me feel glad I stopped watching. Although I miss those heady days of the early years of this show, when everything was fresh and exciting and I was head deep in it.

Date: 2015-03-29 07:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fanspired
Has SPN ever not failed the Bechdel test? At this point, I'm wondering if I've ever written anything that passed the Bechdel test :S Damn.

Date: 2015-03-30 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com
"Alex, Annie, Alexis, Anne" - I think that might pass.

Date: 2015-03-30 01:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fanspired
Yes! True. And possibly a couple of the Ellen and Jo scenes.

Date: 2015-03-29 09:03 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] el1ie.livejournal.com
I agree 100% over the show, this one (by the way, your header says 10x1) was particularly cringe worthy. It was so boring, both the nun's story and Rowena and Crowley are now so agonizingly cliched it's hard to not fast forward and I'm at the point where if I hear ONE MORE Dean Winchester tearful confession I think I'll throw something at him.

To me, it's been very noticeable that the crew spend far too much time interacting with fans and have given themselves a list to please - more old school Monster stories, edit in some scenes from season one, don't forget the EMF, the conversation in the car, a tearful confession and throw a bone (pardon the pun) at the slashers - job done! It's piss poor work and yet this is probably the result of fans saying last year they longed for the old days. Hah! The old days were BETTER because it wasn't a rehash!

Only point I would quibble with? Don't ever think a tiny little ballerina couldn't knock Dean Winchester on his ass - those girls are incredibly fit and strong! Hee, but yes, I do get what you mean, the whole scene was a mess of cheap short cuts with no brains engaged.

SPN? What happened to you?

Date: 2015-03-30 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com
Word! It's damn depressing. That ep was truly dreadful. :(

Date: 2015-03-30 01:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] el1ie.livejournal.com
It was, I really didn't want to post any more negativity in your journal, but I was eye rolling at the confession - what the hell, again Dean? How many more times!

And show really should watch The Musketeers if they want to write realistic nuns, those 17th century marvellous firebrands are far more in character with every nun I've ever met and I was convent educated.

Date: 2015-03-30 01:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com
I don't mind negativity on my journal at all hun! Dean's confession annoyed the hell out of me (I was doing a lot of my own eye rolling!) and then it became a discussion point and I was intrigued by it (why on earth Dean is scared of dying now is just plain weird).

Don't get me started on those nuns! /o\

Date: 2015-03-30 01:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] el1ie.livejournal.com
(why on earth Dean is scared of dying now is just plain weird).

It bloody is - isn't it more likely he'd be scared of NOT DYING when he kills himself for, you know going all Mark of Cain and KILLING SAM!! Grrrr..no don't get me started...

Date: 2015-03-29 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blackjedii.livejournal.com
do not miss it one bit although jared padalecki is still pretty

HERE IS A PUPPY PICTURE INSTEAD

Edited Date: 2015-03-29 01:57 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-03-30 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com
I agree. It's become a joke really. I'm trying so hard to stay positive, but after episodes like that it's so hard to be. Some aren't as bad as that one, but overall the consistency with the characters and story telling is woeful. I thought Dean was going to be going through something important, but nearly every episode has been some soul searching confession and it's getting tiring.

And I don't get the turn around. He could potentially kill Sam , so I have no idea why he isn't doing everyone in his power to stop that. Instead he's ignoring it (and brushing of Sam. Again). Instead he's concerned about dying? *head shake*.

I blame Carver. He needs better control over the overall story lines.

I was hoping there would be a new one next year, but I've heard no word on that. Fresh blood might help.

xx

Date: 2015-04-01 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hugemind.livejournal.com
I feel like the writer credits explain your 2nd and 3rd paragraph. Sometimes they manage to write better episodes, but this wasn't one. I'm not sure if they were trying to avoid anvils so hard that they just heaped on misdirection (which they really like to use as a story-telling device) and went on to confuscate everything. The confession scene is a prime example.

More than the nuns with failed love lives cliche I was bothered by the conversation between Dean and sister Matthias. The M.O. line just made her sound stupid, which is a bigger sin to me than the love life cliches. I completely agree about Rowena.

Re: Dean's emotions being all over the place. A bit of that I will chalk up to the boys talking about different things. A good example is the final convo in 10x13 where Dean wanted to stop finding a cure and start helping people. This was at the same time presented as him giving up and fighting, because to Sam he was giving up, and Dean jut wanted to go out fighting. So it's important to have the context of the statements instead of just the soundbites (which are easier to remember), because the boys are talking about different things. So recalibrating the dataset with this and removing 10x16 from the dataset because of the writers, makes the data at least a bit better.

Maybe they should've put Sam into the confessional instead of Dean?

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