Yes, very true. I wasn't sure if I'd be able to get notified of your reply, though. And I'm lazy and don't want to recheck a post to make sure I'm not being accidentally rude by appearing to have abandoned a conversation. ;P
And the relationship was definitely what drew me in, so I'm firmly in the bibro camp
Funny enough, I wasn't aware of the slash vibe, but I did think they were gay. When I discovered they were brothers twenty minutes or so later, I had a serious "Oh!" moment.
Someone here in the comments coined the term "bibrolar" to describe those in the "bibro" camp. *dies laughing* I can't help it, any derivative of "bibro" reduces me to giggles; I'm not sure why. This fandom kills me XD.
However on those ensemble shows everyone reacted to the main character. Perhaps with SPN there's more friction because the set-up of the show makes them seem like equal characters whereas Dean often has spent a lot of time reacting. To see him only that way though seems to me to sell the character short.
I think you hit the nail on the head. In fact, I think you've vocalized exactly what astri13 is saying in her comment thread to this post. Gah. Too bad I already wrote this meta otherwise I would add that as a corollary ... maybe with a link to your IJ meta.
I also agree that this is probably a by product of a small cast. It seems like a lot of issues get superconcentrated the fewer characters presenta. I've always been curious about the propensity for some people to view the boys as direct opposites, having or not having certain things in terms of the other. For example: "Dean is charismatic so Sam isn't" or "Sam is good at research so Dean isn't." I can't count the number of times I've seen people defending Dean's "smartness" as if because Sam is smart it's assumed that Dean isn't. Even though I think these comparisons aren't true, I think they're made because it's natural to think of pairs of two as being opposites ends of the spectrum (even if they're not) because there's not a third or fourth party to provide another measure of relativity. Stick Ron from "Nightshifter" as a third brother and then I'm sure people wouldn't be saying that Sam wasn't charismatic (although he still wouldn't be as charming as Dean).
I love that this is a forum for discussion and your meta/thoughts have sparked new ideas for me.
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Date: 2008-04-20 08:24 pm (UTC)Yes, very true. I wasn't sure if I'd be able to get notified of your reply, though. And I'm lazy and don't want to recheck a post to make sure I'm not being accidentally rude by appearing to have abandoned a conversation. ;P
And the relationship was definitely what drew me in, so I'm firmly in the bibro camp
Funny enough, I wasn't aware of the slash vibe, but I did think they were gay. When I discovered they were brothers twenty minutes or so later, I had a serious "Oh!" moment.
Someone here in the comments coined the term "bibrolar" to describe those in the "bibro" camp. *dies laughing* I can't help it, any derivative of "bibro" reduces me to giggles; I'm not sure why. This fandom kills me XD.
However on those ensemble shows everyone reacted to the main character. Perhaps with SPN there's more friction because the set-up of the show makes them seem like equal characters whereas Dean often has spent a lot of time reacting. To see him only that way though seems to me to sell the character short.
I think you hit the nail on the head. In fact, I think you've vocalized exactly what astri13 is saying in her comment thread to this post. Gah. Too bad I already wrote this meta otherwise I would add that as a corollary ... maybe with a link to your IJ meta.
I also agree that this is probably a by product of a small cast. It seems like a lot of issues get superconcentrated the fewer characters presenta. I've always been curious about the propensity for some people to view the boys as direct opposites, having or not having certain things in terms of the other. For example: "Dean is charismatic so Sam isn't" or "Sam is good at research so Dean isn't." I can't count the number of times I've seen people defending Dean's "smartness" as if because Sam is smart it's assumed that Dean isn't. Even though I think these comparisons aren't true, I think they're made because it's natural to think of pairs of two as being opposites ends of the spectrum (even if they're not) because there's not a third or fourth party to provide another measure of relativity. Stick Ron from "Nightshifter" as a third brother and then I'm sure people wouldn't be saying that Sam wasn't charismatic (although he still wouldn't be as charming as Dean).
I love that this is a forum for discussion and your meta/thoughts have sparked new ideas for me.